Over on Thomas's blog there has been a few anonymous comments posted last night regarding this thing we do. I fell asleep before his post for the night posted but woke up early in the morning and checked it out. I noticed that it had 7 comments at that time and I was curious why a post that was just posted got so many comments so quick. I quickly saw why as it was a debate going on between Thomas and this commenter. Since Thomas went to bed and left his email open I checked his trash for the comment that she said was not posted. I read that comment and realized why he didn't post it to begin with. In that post she really was just being pretty rude and went as far as calling me mental and brainwashed by him. I have copied and pasted the comments as of the time that I am writing this post for you to read as well. After that I will also write my post with more of my two cents in it. Not sure if anymore comments have come through since but if you are curious to the rest of the comments please visit his blog here.
Anonymous said...
I notice you didn't put my comment up. I guess you only allow comments that praise you. A typical abusive man.
January 30, 2010 9:22 PM
Thomas_III said...
Oh, no, I post comments from people that disagree with me or even don't like what I do. However, I don't post comments from people that lie about who they are or why they're posting here, or that try to characterize our lifestyle as "abusive." If you're really looking on SpankingTube as part of research, then you're doing a poor job of learning from any of it. Personally, I don't buy that for a minute. If that were really the case, then you wouldn't have gone through so much trouble to read all of those comments on SpankingTube on several videos, then follow my comments back to my profile, and then back to my blog, just to post your nonsense here. Then, you come back, again, to this site that you say contradicts your very being, to see if your comment posted. That is the act of someone trying to stir the pot. This doesn't surprise me, though, since your earlier post quickly brought up Kyle's name, a consumate pot-stirrer by profession
January 30, 2010 9:32 PM
Anonymous said...
My 'research', if you can call it that, has brought me to many spots on the Internet. Spanking tube has brought me to many many blogs and sites, including yours. I was very curious to see if you had a response to my comment, so yes, I came back. I'll come back again probably. In all honesty, at first as I looked at sites, I simply thought, 'to each his own'. But the more I see the more irritated I am at the men who abuse and the women who believe it's healthy.
Initially my paper was to be about how people have the right to chose their own lifestyles even if strange. To an extent I agree with that, but I've changed the flavor of the paper to being totally against DD relationships. You're not the only one I've commented too. I have noticed that not one that I've commented to, can defend what they do. Your comment about 'stirring the pot' is exactly what I'm referring to. You don't even try to explain, because you can't, so you jump to an attitude of "I'm too good to debate this". I believe in the right to debate and I find it intruiging that spankee's don't have the ability and spankers won't try. It's sad. If you believe it's not abuse, then post my comment and respond. Or respond privately to darknessandrain@gmail.com.
Your comments are being used for my paper, so I guess I understand if that's not something you want, because yes, I'm going to include your web address.
January 30, 2010 10:19 PM
Thomas_III said...
Thank you for the free publicity, then.
If you're looking for a defense, then I'm quite happy to provide one. When a female looks to a male for discipline (or a male looks to a female, which is also the case in many relationships, despite your own skewed belief that apparently only males can be "abusive"), they are acknowledging that there are elements in their life that they can more readily face or change if someone is there to hold them accountable and enforce the rules. Being an adult may mean that we know what's best for us, but it doesn't always mean that we DO what's best for us. How many times has the average person, you perhaps, stayed up too late on the computer when they have work or school the next day? That's a whole lot of people. In the case of a DD relationship, though, there is another person in the mix that cares enough about the other person (usually a lover, but that's not always the case) to do more than just give them annoying reminders that they need to get in bed. So, to this end, the spankee in the relationship gives the spanker the authority to discipline them when needed. To emphasize, it is given, not taken. By the same token, if it's no longer working for her, she can freely take it away. In an abusive relationship, it's never as easy as simply saying "don't beat me, anymore." However, in a DD relationship, it is.
A disciplinarian has to care for the spankee on an emotional level. I find it absolutely impossible to discipline a young lady that I know nothing about and have no connection to. The emotional aspect is even more important than the physical. A spanking, no matter the reason, means nothing if coming from someone that you don't care about, and that doesn't care for you. If you can't honestly believe that the person is doing it in your best interests, then discipline has no effect, period.
January 30, 2010 11:00 PM
Thomas_III said...
Furthermore, if you really want to see more of my views on discipline in a spanking lifestyle, try reading any of my essays on the subject, which can be found in the archives via the sidebar link. Pay special attention to the post "Domestic Violence Versus Domestic Discipline" for your defense that you want so much to hear.
January 30, 2010 11:03 PM
Anonymous said...
So, does your 'cookie' have the ability to make mature decisions about things such as, not smoking, without you hitting her?
Do you hit your kids in the same way? If not, is it because you would consider it abuse?
Is she allowed to tell you that she simply doesn't want a spanking today as she's not in the mood? If she does, do you respect her wishes, or do you feel that you have the right to hit her anyway?
Who do you have to answer to when you make mistakes, or when you're moody? Are you punished, or are you above that?
I know you're so sure I'm simply antagonistic, but I'm looking for legitimate answers to these questions...not general answers, but answers from your own personal life.
January 30, 2010 11:18 PM
Thomas_III said...
If you weren't being antagonistic, you wouldn't blatantly refer to spanking as "hitting" with every single "question" that you make. The venom is practically dripping off of your words. However, I'll answer you, anyway.
1. Cookie (she's a person, not an object, so please do her the decency of capitalizing her name) is mature enough to know what she should be doing, but lacks the willpower to resist the temptation. If she did, then it should be little problem for an asthmatic to know that she needs to stop smoking. Yet, this has been one of her greatest downfalls, as it's still hard for her, even now, to turn down a drag when offered, even when her asthma's been acting up so badly lately. Would it be better to allow her to indulge this death wish, or to simply warm her backside when she goes for a cigarette? (I should also mention that a spanker, unlike the abusers that you try to typecast us as, focus our attentions solely on the bottom, a well-padded section of the body that heals quickly, rather than the face or stomach like the typical wife-beater. Abuse doesn't come with as much presence of mind as to choose your targets.)
Would I spank my kids? I see nothing inherently wrong with the act, as long as it's from a loving member of their family. I don't approve of corporal punishment in schools, but it's fine in the home. Again, though, simply calling it "hitting" fails to denote the inherent differences in how spanking can be administered, which will determine what's abuse and what's not. If a parent yanks a child up out of anger, blistering their backside without adequate explanation and then setting them back down with just as little affection, then, yes, it's abuse. However, if another parent finds a calm moment to take the child aside, explain exactly what the child did that was wrong and why the child should have behaved differently, dole out a spanking that is fair for the crime, then hold the child and remind them that they are forgiven and loved, then, no, it's not abusive.
If she isn't in the mood for play or therapeutic spankings, then it simply doesn't happen, period. In the case of discipline, though, her behavior overrules her current wishes. You could argue that I have the "right" to do so because she's asked me to hold her accountable in those situations. What's more important, though, is that I have that I have the responsibility to hold her accountable, even when it isn't "convenient" for her or me.
Essentially, I have to answer to myself, as I'm my own worst critic (though, I'm sure that you can strive to be a close second). However, this doesn't include being spanked. It's just not a part of my makeup. In other words, trying to spank me to change behavior would likely meet with a brick wall. I was disciplined with a belt when I was growing up, but all it ever did was teach me to not get caught. (It was also the reason that, for most of my adult life, I was against spanking children. Only later, when I realized that spanking could be given in a loving manner, and not like I experienced it, did my opinions on that change.) I did, on one occasion in which I really screwed up, offer for Cookie to discipline me for the offense. She didn't take me up on it (she's no more of a spanker than I am a spankee), so it didn't happen.
Any more questions?
January 30, 2010 11:42 PM
Anonymous said...
Yes, I do have more questions.
So if you would spank your child, would you do so in such a way that there's bruises left, welts, and even blood? That's how you do it to your girlf, so do you feel it's ok to do that to a child?
As for the smoking, are you saying that Cookie can't control herself unless disciplined by you? There are millions of adults who give up addictions without that, why does she not have that ability? To be honest, it makes it sound like she has some kind of mental disability and can't control her own life. No, I don't believe that she actually does, but I do believe that thru your lifestyle, she's been 'brainwashed' to believe that the only way to live a safe and productive life is to be spanked.
You take offense to the word 'hitting'. That's exactly what it is. It's beating. Spanking is a parent giving a child 3 or 4 swats to get his/her attention. When implements are used to hurt intensely, or when it lasts so long that it causes bruising, welts, or bleeding, that's when it becomes abuse. How can you say it's not 'hitting'? You are swinging and HITTING---you may disagree with everything I say, but the word hitting means what it means, and it's what you do.
You have to answer to yourself, why is it that you have that ability, but she doesn't?
Since you believe this is such a loving and wonderful arrangement, why do you try to hide it from your kids?
Again, I realize you find me antagonistic, however, in truth I'm simply extremely blunt. I have no bad feelings towards you, only bad thoughts---as in everything that I've told you. I love the fact that I can say whatever I want and in whatever way I want and will not be bruised up over it.
One other thing, I don't necessarily believe that you have bad motives in what you do. At least I certainly hope you don't. But I do believe that you don't realize the lasting harm that you're actually doing to your girlf and I believe that you love what you do so much that you refuse to look at it with reason.
January 31, 2010 12:21 AM
Cookie Crawford said...
"You're not the only one I've commented too. I have noticed that not one that I've commented to, can defend what they do."
Maybe that's because no matter what we tell you or how we try to explain things you are going to put us down and think exactly the way you do regardless. It's pointless to get into a debate with someone such as yourself. Whose only reason for being here is to stir the pot and say we are mental and have no clue what we are doing. Whether you want to believe that isn't the case or not, regardless, it is. Even as Thomas answers you, you come back with the same abuse nonsense and what not.
I was in an abusive situation before and I can tell you that Domestic discipline is nothing like that. I dont live in fear of what is going to happen to me everyday like I have in the past. And I have never once been "hit" by Thomas. You will feel the way you feel no matter what but personally I am tired of the occasional person (that doesn't have a clue as to what this lifestyle is even about) coming here telling me I'm brainwashed or mental because I am in a happy and healthy loving relationship. And I know that Thomas loves and cares for me and my children much more then you can probably even imagine.
For your information, I do not know how spankingtube is even a qualified "research" place. It's not even a domestic discipline site at all. It's pretty much a porn site for the most part, Hence why we hide what we do from our kids. I can't believe that you even asked that question. Even if we didn't practice DD and just had spanking play for sex and what not we wouldn't go telling our kids and things. researching domestic discipline would have taken you to plenty of more informative sites if that was really what you were looking for but just as Thomas I dont believe that is why you are here.
So continue on with your bashing and name calling you seem to be having fun with it and we can all talk and try to explain things to you till we are blue in the face and you'll just turn around and tell us we are mental or abusive or brainwashed because we dont feel the same way as you do and our lifestyle just doesn't fit yours.
January 31, 2010 12:49 AM
Thomas_III said...
You like to make assumptions, don't you? No, a child would not have welts, bruises, etc. A child would typically be crying by the, as you say, the third or fourth swat, which is enough. That emotional release is more than enough of a signal to prove that the intent of the spanking has been reached. An older child might require more, but it still wouldn't leave lasting marks. Even with Cookie, if you'd actually look at the videos or pictures, only rarely bruises or bleeds, except during very intense sessions. In this very post that you're commenting to, she is only red, or perhaps you didn't take the time to notice?
Sure, there are millions of people that give up addictions, but there are millions more that don't bother trying, even when they know the ramifications to their own bodies. If I wasn't pushing her, Cookie would still be a pack-a-day smoker, and likely already dead. As for brainwashing her, this is the lifestyle that she was looking for when we met. It wasn't something that I talked her into, and it wasn't something that she'd had with a former boyfriend. It was a decision of her own volition, based on what she wanted in her life.
Yes, and I'll say it again. It's not "hitting." "Hitting" is a generic term to describe any act of striking another person. While this may make spanking "hitting" by default, the term is presumptuous. "Hitting" does not identify a target area, and saying that someone "hits" another person could mean their genitals, their stomach, their face, or any other body part. A spanking solely targets the fleshiest areas of the backside, which can take the most impact and heal the quickest when it's done. Even when a spanking leaves bruises or welts, it will be healed again in a matter of days, won't leave lasting physical damage. Punching someone in the gut can send them to the hospital, as can punching them in the face or throwing them down a flight of stairs. When have you ever seen someone in the emergency room after a properly administered spanking?
I have the ability to answer for myself because I choose to. Likewise, she made the choice to give up that ability, which is the only reason that she doesn't have it.
I try to hide it from the kids because it is still an ADULT activity, plain and simple. They do, however, know that I'm the head of the household, and that my word superimposes their mother's. However, they aren't made privy to the nasty details. By the same token, they also know that their parents have sex, but I'm not going to sit down and discuss the details over breakfast. It's none of their business. If they had honest questions about our life, though, I would try to answer them, just as I'd answer questions about sex if they asked.
January 31, 2010 8:51 AM
Thomas_III said...
I'm going to reprint this here, so that I can delete it from the Discussion Sunday post.
Anonymous said....
Ok....Yup, I'm contacting you yet again. I know, you're sick of it. Oh well.
First of all, I'd like to say that I've spent most of the night looking all over the internet at other blogs and sites related to this. (I don't have to work today or tomorrow so I'll sleep later)
Anyway, while I absolutely could NEVER live in such a lifestyle, I can see that in your case it's consenual. I've read a lot of your essays and while I find it weird, you seem to care.
I think I started to lose my irritation at you when I found another site which horrified me. It was books about LDD and ALDD. Anyway, in those the male would urinate into his wife's mouth to punish her and the books suggest this. It said after a woman was spanked she had to immediately give her 'hoh' oral sex, BUT, she was not to enjoy doing it. If the 'hoh' started to think she might be enjoying it, he was to strike her breasts or any area that would bring her back to tears while preforming orally.
There was much more that it said, and there were people who commented on how they lived in that lifestyle. It even said that if a husband was in a bad mood, it's his wife's 'duty' to offer herself to be spanked so that he can ease his tension. It said that if she didn't offer, that would be disobedience and she should be spanked for that.
Please tell me you don't live by all that. I can't see that you do, especially after reading your essay on aftercare.
Again, I disagree 100% with your lifestyle. I would call 911 if a guy EVER tried to 'punish' me. However, that's because I've made the choice not to live that way.
I know you found me irritating and obnoxious. I'm simply blunt, honest, and extremely dedicated to what I believe. However, I'm not close minded and hope to never be. After I do research on things, I make informed decisions.
Hope you smile today. :-)
January 31, 2010 8:53 AM
Thomas_III said...
I know of the Loving Domestic Discipline site, though I don't prescribe to the nonsense that he writes on it. It hasn't been active for a while, though, so I think that he's pulled back from working on it. A few people have been asking about his blog on some forums that I've been to.
While I don't think much of that site's methods, one thing that you've mentioned (the spankee offering her bottom for the spanker's stress relief) has been present in my life. It's something that's always been offered freely, though, as I've never asked for it or deigned to punish her if she didn't. It was just meant to ease my tensions, perhaps after a long and hard day at work.
You have to remember, though, that not all spankings are displeasurable for Cookie. (This fact seems to be blatantly missed in all of your questions.) Many spankings are erotic to her, which leads to much fun in bed. Spankings can also be therapeutic, and there are videos here on my blog where she was spanked simply for her own stress relief (similarly to how she might ask me to spank her for my own stress relief). Many of the intense punishments were also intended for stress relief, which is why she was pushed so hard for them. A good portion of the spankings that she receives are simply playful, with no erotic or disciplinary connotations, whatsoever. If you'd read a bit deeper into the blog, you'd see that we attend spanking parties, where she's spanked by several others for simple enjoyment of the act, and not for sexual arousal or behavior modification. Only when the spanking is purely for punishment or discipline is it "unpleasurable" for her.
So, being spanked to help me burn off a bad day is just something that she does to help me feel better. She experiences no displeasure from it (she might even enjoy it, but I've never asked her about that). How she views a spanking will depend largely on the reason that it's being given. It depends on the mindset that she's in. Though, I'm not even going to try to start explaining the psychological aspects to you of what we do. It would take far too long, and it's unlikely that you'd understand much of it.
January 31, 2010 9:08 AM
Okay now that I copied and posted all that. Im going to go on and say that. I appericate her last response were she states that she doesn't agree with our lifestyle and it is not for her. Because yes this lifestyle is not for everyone. I would never force it on someone neither would Thomas. We however both choose to live that way and did so before we even meet so it wasnt a brainwash from him to make me submit to him. And I didn't commit to him without knowing what was in store for the both of us. In our vows at our ceremony we both added elements that included Domestic discipline as a part of our life together. Should I ever choose to leave I am more then welcome to. Should I ever decide that i dont want to be spanked i can say no and walk away. But with that being said, At the same time should I ever choose not to live this lifestyle then I would pretty much be choosing not to be with Thomas. It was very much a part of him before we meet and it always will be a part of him. Just as I am sure it will always be a part of me. Just up and deciding I dont want this anymore is a choice I have, but one I choose not to take because this lifestyle is what I want and Thomas is who I want to be with.
Even on this blog there has been other times where I have had to defend myself against accusations about me being weak or mental or abused and not knowing it. I have said it many times before and I will say it again. I am in no way shape or form in an abusive relationship. I am well taken care of emotionally and physically by a man that cares not only about me and my well being but also that of my children. Theres alot of things that Thomas does for and with us that are never mentioned on the blog. I mention alot more personal things here on mine but for the most part only the spanking aspects and certain things make it to this blog.
I have been in a relationship where I have had a gun held to my head, punched kicked and beaten for no reason, emotionally belittled and hurt almost daily by one that claimed to love me, Ive been left to walk home from work one day in the pouring rain when I was sent home from work sick because my BF was to tired to get out of bed and come get me. I then ended up in the hospital for days with asthma due to having phenmonia. I still remember vivildly some of the things I have endured in abusive relationships. I remember the fear day to day of what was going to happen next. The not knowing what would set him off. When they came towards me I never knew from one minute to the next whether they were going to hug me or hurt me. There are so many emotions and fear and things in abuse that it is easy to distinguish the two when you have lived through abuse.
It's very easy for someone that hasn't been abused to cry abuse when they see something they arent comfortable with. Being spanked is far from abuse for me. But for someone else it would be. But i am not the one that can judge that. I cant say because someone else plays harder or does things that I dont do that they are in a bad or abusive relationship or there lifestyle is wrong. I know some poeple "play" more intensely then I have ever been spanked even for discipline to each their own really does apply in life in genral.
I know that if this commenter ever saw a BDSM scene she would probably freak out. If she thinks that a little bit of spanking is abusive imagine what they would think to see A girl tied up in all kinds of positions getting whipped. Or a girl that serves as a slave. There are way more extreme consensual acts that go on all around the world. But to each their own is how I see the world. What one enjoys as far as in the bed and what not is up to them. And I say enjoy because even a slave enjoys serving if that is how she is wired. Im just not wired that way myself.
I really dont have much more to add to this debate and what not because like we all know and have seen before it does no good to try to convince someone else that we are happy and content in the way that we choose to live and that it works for us. No matter how many times we try to logic through it if it isnt something that they are comfortable with themself then it must be abusive or bad no matter what we say.
I just wish that those that feel that way would not have to come and attack us for our beliefs and our feelings. How many times do you see us going to a vanilla blog and saying that we think they are weird or wrong because thay arent getting spanked or living the same way we do. Calling us disgusting, abusers, weak, mental, etc. etc. is really uncalled for. Now if your curious and non judgemental and want to ask questions we are always more then happy to explain things to someone that is at least considerate and civil in doing so.
Sorry for the rant it is just comments like these get to me sometimes as I really hate having to explain the whole thing over and over to only be told once again that I am "brainwashed" or wrong for how I choose to live.
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